A Spiritual Raver's Passage Through Pride.

Donning my coat of tastictacular colours I leave the train and head towards Pride. As I am walking towards I meet a group of Christians, true followers of Christ, the Christ that is in their hearts allows them to talk to their God. Interesting bunch I was talking to Patrica and she opened up with trying to give me a bible. She was with another person called the demon purger, and I tried to strike up a conversation with her first. So I start to question them on their faith, well that was the wrong idea she was freaked out and started calling me out on my demonic thoughts. As they were not thoughts that came from the bible, all other thoughts couldn't be accounted for and thus may come from Satan. 

Well Patrica saved me from her and we then had a pretty neat discussion about Christ. Basically their faith was one of paranoia, as they were scared of all other thoughts cause they may have come from the Devil. She said that if we accept Jesus into our hearts that we would then be able to understand God. Well that's funny cause talking to God is pretty easy once you get the hang of it, and I haven’t really accepted Jesus as the son of God. Sure he was a cool guy, but really he died to show you sin. I think it would be cooler to die to show you love... but you know that guy will show himself when he is ready.

Annnway she was talking about the heart. So that got me thinking about the fifth dimension, the spiritual plane, and how parts of the heart could possibly reside there. She then talked about the three levels of heaven, as possible theory aswell as this dimension theory i was talking about. Then I won the conversation by asking "If God is our father, who is our mother" She laughed as guessed the holy spirit. It was good time and I left to find more adventure.

As I was walk through the streets I eventually find a group called unlearn.com VERY interesting people. Buddhist in belief but very open to all different faiths. Me and Brenden talk for a while sharing ideas, and i tell him about what I have just learned about the levels of heaven. How Jesus needs to be in your hear to be saved. We also talk about the Fifth Dimension, and Hindenburg's uncertainty principal. Which states that observing something will change it in some way. So that got me thinking perhaps the reason we can't see this god that is all around us. Is that he is on the sub atomic level. Perhaps the graviton? Well anyway when we try to see this God it moves from where he would have been. Then perhaps this God that we pray to is also effected by the vibes we send out during prayer. Changing and molding our personal God and changing our subjective reality, in which God resides in all of us, but is subjective so we can't truly share this belief until we die. Perhaps then we become our God in death.... and the journey  just begins.

The streets are packed, with grizzly bears and half naked women. I felt I was suffocating in a polyester coat, dress shirt, and bow tie. But what the hell if ravers can wear bikinis in the winter time. I can sure as hell were all of this clothing in the middle of summer. Then out of the blue, and I only assume he used his telekinetic powers of finding people. The Wizardman teleports in and pulls me out of the crowd with his amazing magical powers. Just comes up right behind me and wraps me in a spectacular hug. "What have you been up too?"

"Oh you know just talking to people about their faith and opening minds"
"Have you talked to the Jewish people yet?"
"No, but thank you I will"
"Check out the drum and bass thing after!"

Wizardman then vanishes as quickly as he came upon me. Melding into the crowd of shirtless happy gay people. Now... talking to Jewish people is hard in my experience. I try to ask one what he thinks of jesus being the savior and stuff. He said "I don't really think about it I just am.... and take one of these fliers" I circle around trying to talk to someone else but alas I failed this task.

TIME TO RAVE

Ooooo look at all the ravers wooh! Now I don't know any of there names so I will use my creative genius to give them names. There was mini dreads he popped and bopped around the area, holding hands with Rolling Face as they spinned and jumped together. Then there was the all the really attractive lesbians. Pink Dick, Spectacular Glass of Colours, Cute Dot, Shy Shadow, and Mirage. They are jumped around, and danced together suffleing every which way and doing the impossible, you know typical raver stuff. Then BOOM! Out of the nowhere Wizardman comes out of his dimensional rift, pocket dimension, and RAVES THE FUCK OUT!

The who do I find but Mystical French Violin Man from the other day. Its great, and awesome. I can now sit in on a circle hurrah! So we sit down and I am writing some poetry, and an Anon asks for the book and writes down some poetry as well. All of the girls then sit down with us and have a smoke. I lite up an incense and have a good time. Then some Diva comes on and changes the vibe completely no one is dancing anymore. So i leave, as I have a mission to go back to those Christians and tell them what i have learned about Heisenberg's uncertainty principal.

So I ask Patrica if she has ever heard of such a theory. First she say yes, then changes her answer to no, and asks for an explanation. Success! She is pursuing her truth. I then tell her how it might prove the theory of God or at least explain why we can't see him. She says we can't see him cause his radiance is to much for human kind. She then points to their pastor, who seems to be like 25?

I talk to him for a couple minutes, but he is not interested in me. As we are on the same level, and he is looking for a flock. But he passes me off to a very devout young man. He can quote bible passages with veal and vigor and is very interesting. He even says he has been to hell, and that is why he has become more devout. We talk for an hour with no one making any progress on the other. We each have out faith, and are doing what we think God would want. We exchange phone numbers, and say this has not ended. I have a feeling I will meet this man again.

Surrounded again by jiggling flesh i feel comfortable enough to take off my shirt. The cool breeze is so nice, and refreshing. I head back to the unlearn.com and get the contact info from Brendon. Then I'm back to the drum and bass! Spinning and twirling, jumping and bouncing, holding the ball of energy, whipping my arms around. We all dance together brushing past each other only inches apart. Spectacular Glass of Colours is doing amazing things, and her dance moves are far superior to anyone else here.




Now at this moment I start to feel very high, like mood is elevated, which is a bad thing if you are a beeper. Anyway I sit down and begin to meditate. Loose myself in the vibe while dissociating myself, from my hyper reality. I calm down enough to dance again, but I am soon on my way. 

While I walking I come upon a store right up my ally friendlyfirestore.com. I got a contact orb, and some glow gloves. I head back to the Bass to try out this new orb. I grasp the orb loosely and move it from hand to hand. Bouncing it off the back of my hand, and changing it to the other. Letting it roll down my hand and into the other. Finally holding as I twirl my fingers to play shapes in the ball's light.


Its a little bit darker and my gloves have turned themselves on in my pocket. Well as soon as i take them out, Little Dreads wants them. He spins his hands around in a chain connecting and finding the groove he wants. Then Little Grass comes over and says if I'm still here around 10 he will teach me some tricks. They slowly close off the area in which we are dancing, and well they said something about being hit by cars? Which is bullshit they want us to put on a show and so more people can see us they want us in the middle of the street. Lets show em what ravers can do!

Little Grass has his poi our and is spinning his balls twirling and whirlling as he creates trails of green around him. I take out my gloves again, and this time SecGoC wants to use them. What the hell can't she do, this amazing rave dancer. Well Wizardman pops in again, and wraps me in a wizard hug. Nodding his chin into my shoulder. =P

So I learn some from her and then a lot more form Little Grass. But it is time to go! I strap on my gloves and walk into the mass of people. Spinning and ducking my way through the crowd, as I practice what I have learned. I shall be the extensional glow artist. Tripping people out visually, and then giving them something to think about. See you around!

Trying to Understand the Subjective and Objective with Magical Thinking

Objectively trees only speak to trees
Subjectively I can speak to the trees
how do I pick up on this info leak?
well its all in my mind speaks this one man

To share our thoughts with nature would be grand
To become one with nature thats the plan
To shape my own trip with a loving hand
to guide man and woman back to the start.

It is a matter of faith I suppose
I am not nature that is grandiose
Objectively this hatter feels for trees
but what I got from them is subjective.

Ask a question, sense its beauty, and feel.
Peel back these layers of unwillingness.

You capture the world.
The picture in your mind is
your truth we now see.

This world within we paint internally.
This world outside we so try to describe
our view of it but not to taint our truth.
We wish to share truth and see through a lie.

But what is truth can it be objective?
Is there a final form of this truth boss?
Shall man be able to combine our thoughts
or would this be a loss to the ego?

As much as we try can we reach the fifth.
We tumble in time yet the fifth is true.
We can't touch the fifth but we can believe.
In death we shall unite our minds of mime.

Look hard and well for your truth within and,
tell the world for we need to understand.

Perhaps these 5 dimensions are tangled together. Wibbling and wobbling around. Not distinct lines or planes but tied together. All we have to do is follow our string to the spiritual 5th dimension

Waterloo Funraiser Rave

I suggest listening to this while reading

Rave Check list
Trips - Check
Candy - Kinda
Epic coat of tastictacular colours - Check
Driving partner - Check

BOOM! FlyBoy charges out of the speakers in my truck "Oooh why don't you just let it go" I will Flyboy I will. I will be anyone I want to be. I hardly know these people thus I can be anyone. Mana charging wooo!

"So what would you do at the end of world?"
"Well I would be the reaver of waterloo, crossing blades with anyone who comes my way on quest for flesh and booty. I will die in glorious combat. But you know I also have hard drives full of information on how to build machines and such from scratch. Drill press, tool and dye maker stuff. Cause we will have to know how to make this stuff." Switch said ironically switching between the extremes of his imagination.

"Well this spectacular kid would do what makes sense. Try to find a group of people with a set amount of skills and do what I can to impress them. You know typical human stuff"

Switch jumps as the idea pops into his head "Well Serifus the bubble viking is learning about agriculture and stuff he will be a reeving buddy with me."

"You guys have so many skills why just wander around? You should make a town and when you do I will boost the moral of everyone that comes. Thus growing the town, we get more chicks, we get more studs. More guns and soldiers. More farm land. More minds to develop machines. It would be spectacular"

"I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE GIRL AT THE ROCK SHOW" Blasts from the speakers

So the rest of the ride we talk about technical stuff, hardware stuff, music production stuff I don't know a lot about. But finally I found a hard ware guy that I get along with. Huzzah and be merry one and all.  I explain to him that I have Java, C#, and C++ experience, and then some C knowledge. I say it would be better to learn java scripting HTML5 as its compatible with all devices and you don't need an exe. Humber screwed me in that matter.

"GIVE ME A REASON TO HOLD TO WHAT WE GOT!!"

We finally arrive at Hop To It, and the crew is hopping around getting stuff done.Sunny SunShinePants is as happy a flower in the sun. Fantastic vibes of caring, loving, memory inducing vibration are sent into the area. As is raver tradition every one gets to hug to share our energies.

Neoning Neverring is this cute little puppy dog DJ who can get anything done when he puts his mind to it. The crew behind him The Blue Babe, Serifus the Bubble Viking, Duo Red Madness, Sunny SunShinePants, Ironic Switch, and fuck I'm doing stuff to so I shall be Nadz Tacular.

My coat of dreams, my coats of colours, my coat of colour science whips out in the wind as I twirl. Red, Green, Blue, Purple, White  they all spin together to form what I am thinking. Unite the Ideas, Unite the Truth, Become what you want by looking inside, and share it with world.

Like any good party Happy hardcore leads and finishes this being a good party we have happyhardcore going on at the start. Little children scoot by on their scooters and weave in and out of the dancers such as myself and Sunny SunShinePants. The Bubble Viking does the war dance of the bubble vikings. No shoes he twirls and bops around as he uses his bubble sword to fill the area with majestic exploding bubbles that do no damage, but are so fucking cool. A true Bubble Viking never hurts, as they are a strong powerful people with high morals.

"I don't want the bubbles to die" I cry out in frustration.

I run under the bubbles and using my wind bending techniques I move the bubbles till they are safe in the sky. This inspires me to write something in THE BOOK. Perhaps it will be shared by the keepers of the book Sunny SunShinePants, and Neoning Neverring.

Damn I love liquidizing to hardcore its just so good. Jumping around and then stopping to fling your arms around. Stretching and bending your mussel. Forming an energy ball in your hand it would be epic if someone took this energy away from me and we could play dance energy ball. Miss you Riffy Rifkin, maybe next time.

The sun is dimming and the street lights are going on. They sparkle like stars as the mist on my glasses refracts the light beams in spectacular patterns. I'm surrounded by watching eyes and the lights of true fun. I'm energized but in control, and the best way to keep this place going would be to. ASK RANDOM PEOPLE TO DANCE!

Talking to a couple and the guy is obviosly scared of letting her dance with an unknown raver kid, and he is waiting for something with a good drum.
"Enjoy the party"

I walk up to some mall rats and I smell a redditor so I open with a pun,
"Hey we are having a bit of a FUNraiser here first couple people to come to the dance floor gets a free glowstick" I get blocked off by the alpha.... if only Riffy was here.

So I shout across the area. "WHO EVER DOES ONE DANCE MOVE GETS A FREE GLOWSTICK"

Success! A group of girls come and start to dance its great. I give them glowsticks and they leave... hmmmm I could have done that better. I think drum and base is spinning now by duo red madness the people around seem to be getting more into it. I walk over to the hipster skate kids and say "We are having a funraiser first one to break a dance move gets this glow stick"

Up jumps an funny little bunny  and he hops around faster then the beat of the bass but still as fast as he could. I am pleased and give him his glow stick.... unfortunately. They decide to break it and start painting shit up.... We'll have to clean the up later.

The party has been going on longer then it suppose to but what the hell do they care they are the ones paying us to put on this funraiser for the tech town on waterloo. All of these brilliant people all in one place. To create amazing works of technology. Never leaving their work computer, and only go back to their home computer. Waterloo needs us, they need us to energize the crowd, to perform for them in the way ravers know best. By not giving a single fuck. Hopfully we can burn what I have learned into their skulls. Peace: Be peaceful even if its not your kind of music or its a person you hate. Love: Expand your notion of love. Expand what it means to love and how you share this love with the world. Unity: Unite our truths, unite under PLUR, unite string theory, unite gravity with all the other forces, unite the gods, unite yourself with who you want to be. Respect: Respect the teachings of others, and get their ideology correct before you question.

There he is the first one. Popular enough to be in the know, yet not running with a crew. An Anonymous Smile. The rave is over but now it is time to give away bracelets(Kandi) I walk over to the hipster skaters kids and say FREE CANDY. They were confused it was cute as hell. The bubble viking even took away their glow stick. Good.

As we are about to leave I notice that some of the skater kids are rapping......... WE SHOULD HAVE A MC COMPETITION! I've always wanted to turn my poetry into some kind of MC stuff. Extensional love based MCing.

Closing down the event was easy enough with this amount of people. Putting my sailer skills to test I coiled wires and moved heavy stuff. We went back to Neon Sun's place and dumped all the stuff off. I even got a jar full of red brussels for tea. That is where I met the best thing of the night. A real life ROBOTIC CAT. Full attention to detail, it could meow, love you, cuddle you. But it was robotic, and it was controlled by anyone who gave it attention. How they made that attention sensing thing is beyond me but wow that is amazing. The cats name is shishi, and the only thing that gave it away were the eyes, and you could just slightly see the little cameras. Anyway best part of the night was meeting that cat. FOR SURE!.

Everyone got a hug and we were about to move but we let the viking have his after battle beer. All of a sudden my phone started raving our and flashing colours and all of this crazy hacker shit. It was so fucking epic. PhoneMaster Bubble Viking man looked at it for a second and diagnosed the problem... something in the developer options cased it to that. Well now when I want to trip out people I have another way to do that hehehe. We all walk back in the same direction, first Blue Babe leaves and we say goodbye with another hug.



Next Switch and Myself come to my truck and viking leaves us after another hug. The long ride home was very cool. We talked about more tech stuff, music production, security and his very many cool stories. Switch has so many good stories its defiantly worth taking him on a trip. He even gave me a thing called AV-Linux for music production. I look forward to messing around with this.


Well I had a tastictacular time at Hop To It I got to meet some old friends again and made a lot of new ones. I will hopping to it next time.

A discussion between wizards; A look at the creation of gods, the pursuite of truth, and our subjective feelings of trees.

THE OM GODDESS!!

Next year you must attend

I got back and saw your posts about druidic drumming and just smiled

So the Om goddess is nature herself?

danu and such

guess its just something i should experience

like all great things

yes

its hard to explain, without just rambling on or giving me anxiety that i'm bragging about it etc

but its just a really great place that i know you'd appreciate for many many reasons

the photographs i got this year are much better / tell a better story

so i'll link you when i post them

cool

Though i'm a pretty easy going guy when wrapping my head around spiritual deities formed from common beliefs and good vibes

shared beliefs are a powerful thing when wrapped in music made to trip you out and then amplified by acid

and other psychotics

indeed

some have said that psychedelic culture / music festivals can be defined as a religion

or atleast a spirituality... now if someone writes a book about it

there has been

there's some videos too

trying to remember the name

does a religion necessarily have to have a divine being as it's centre

there is usually something such as the holy spirit, chi, mana, and some kind of leader

Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed

i guess the psychedelic culture one sort of surrounds the ideas of "energy" and "Vibes"

like, having a negative energy

etc

yes

or the realness of the hallucinations

that perception is reality

hell i've talk to animals

thats why i call myself a druid

and trees and pinecones

doctors call it psychosis i call it magic of my imagination

Take my pinecone neal for instance

i gave him a name called wulfgar, and well he really liked it and such

anyway i was throwing him around bouncing him off my hands and i damaged him a bit

so i asked him are you defined by what you look like or how you think

long story short he releaized what it meant to be alive, apart yet distinct from nature around him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking

and he gave himself a new name

niel

long story short i was tripping out a pinecone extensionally

while learning more about myself

as the pinecone is part of me

as we are both part of nature

Sigmund Freud believed that magical thinking was produced by cognitive developmental factors. He described practitioners of magic as projecting their mental states onto the world around them, similar to a common phase in child development

i project my mental state of wanting a more connected world with nature

thus i make it

so i suppose i feel lonely

Yes, but it also says it's a causal fallacy

which is normal getting out of a long term relationship

which a cause is incorrectly identified.

indentifed?

what does it mean by that

so something has lost a defination?

it means, there's a disconnection

like trying to decipher where the rain drops will fall

its just random

there's no reason for it

but then someone says

I know where they will fall. Because of my magical thinking!

And it's like no bro, thats a causal fallacy

well I suppose a physicist could

but i mean he cant just know

hes gotta do his magic number stuff

they'd probably be holding to a theory

and practising it

Ah so i should make a theory and test it

yes, such as

can a pinecone give itself a name that a human can understand or interpret

or is it a causal fallacy between your thoughts and feelings that relates to the magical thinking attributed to the pinecone

we as human beings have an innate connection to all forms of life. Either through dialog or reading facial cues. Humans can also pick up on vibes from trees and other animals then translate them into words

can you define vibes?

feelings

of a non-expressive type

so, like this?

Noun
An emotional state or reaction.
The emotional side of someone's character; emotional responses or tendencies to respond.

yes

so

we as human beings have an innate connection to all forms of life. Either through dialog or reading facial cues. Humans can also pick up on emotional states or reactions from trees and other animals then translate them into words

Trees do not have emotions

no they have vibes

But I thought vibes were feelings

unless feelings are uniquely human and can be read easier

Vibes is an undefinable expression attributed to things that have no physical space in reality

It is YOUR feeling

Not the trees.

My feeling for the tree yes

Yes, so it's not the tree having an emotional reaction. It is your emotional reaction, to witnessing the tree.

Therefore, no. Humans do not pick up on the emotional reactions of trees. They pick up on their own - and translate it into words.

yes and a shaper of nature i can then act on said feeling

agreed

So the tree is communicating nothing.

It is merely existing

other then being itself

its kinda like an echo

It is purely your reaction to it, that is causing it to have a name. It has no name, or ability to communicate a name to you.

Yes then i either spread such name to other humans or let the tree have a more free perception to all of humanity

thus getting more thoughts on said tree

well all the thoughts have been added up with some equation then perhaps we have the feeling of said tree

or the collective human perspective of said tree

or small group how ever many people you can get

then dealing in perspective is reality it falls into place

still one person has the start such thinking

and we dont have to go tree by tree

we can do forest

birds

ect.

until such point where say dolphins say they are individuals and can make their own perspective.

then we start all over

around and around

just like our beautiful earth

slowly waiting for all life to gain perspective and want to share it

There's nothing wrong with giving a tree a name. What turns people off is saying the Tree was the one who decided it, or communicated it to you.

true unless you are trying to get attention for said unknown cause

waiting for people to come with an actual argument

i enjoy your logic wizard

Yes, but what use is attention for attention's sake

What are you being compensated?

Often, those who want attention for attention's sake are doing it for some kind of gain. Like Paris Hilton, for money.

I suppose it strengthens my faith. Paris has faith in herself. I have faith in nature

so the question i should ask people

is what do you think that tree feels?

most would say nothing

which is true

its a tree it doesn;t give a shit

Heh, I would ask you what your definition of "feel' is

Only then could I make a proper answer

perhaps sense is a better word

A faculty by which the body perceives an external stimulus; one of the faculties of sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch.

sense then analyses of said tree

so one could say that tree has spray paint on it

that is not its normal state

someone did that to the tree

to make his mark

who would care more the tree or the human?

the human

we rip up the rain forest

the trees life is threatened who would care more?

the trees

and the humans

thus we do both

try to protect it and kill it

Though perhaps then when faith comes into play

and trees always care more then humans

human are self loathing self destructive hurtful beings who sometimes fuck and love when they want to. Trees just live and care for what they do. I would say a tree is more noble then a human. Much more useful then average human, and closer to the divine by just being a tree

so yeah you can feel what a tree feels by using your senses on said tree and then analyzing your feelings. If you do this collectively you can bring it from the subjective to the objective

One perception isn't reality collective perception is

So can perception be shared and then formulated in some equation?

to give one perception

No, but perception being non-communicable in some respects does not change reality in any way whatsoever

such as music

I can't communicate what my red looks like compared to your blue, so maybe they look the same to us, but that has zero bearing on reality

none

hmm well the conversation i was having with craig was can a tree have feelings?

can we sense the trees feelings

can communcaite and share it

almost certainly they cannot have feelings

its my feelings for said tree

and you have a feeling for the tree

and no, we cannot use any sort of magic emotion-sensing

exactly

you can feel things about a rock

but that's all in your head

the rock has no involvement in that

and different people will tell you different things

yes but what if i want to pull something out of the subjective to the objective

doesn't work that way

subjective things aren't objective by definition

and can't be

that's the very meaning of that concept

oh i see

so my feeling is subjective

yes

and your feeling of the tree is subjective

100%

whether or not the tree has a nervous system is 100% objective

well what happens when we pool our thoughts on said tree

pool?

what

with who

how

like share our thoughts

and why does a bunch of people agreeing prove anything

just a circle jerk...

if a million people say that Thunderstruck is a good song

and I'm sure they do

that doesn't make that any less subjective

I'm sure a million people think it's terrible

so what we are left with is collectively it is average

no

wrong

it doesn't work that way

you can't just average them like they're numbers

because there

isn

is no right answer

the idea of a right answer doesn't even make sense in that context

but what if we are making a song

collectily

you're making a subjective thing

go ahead

almost impossible

but don't pretend it's objectively anything

so what i feel subjectively is correct for me

yes, but don't get it mixed up with facts

unless im thinking in some form of fallacy

your opinions aren't automatically right because you feel them

keep that in mind

you have the right to feel however you want, but that does not mean it's real or correct

at one point in my life I had vivid hallucinations, auditory and mental

I thought my neighbors could hear my thoughts

and even though I believed it will all my heart

and I acted on the "knowledge" that it was true

and 100% was certain of it

it was false

and it when I believed it, it wasn't true

the only thing that was ever true was that "I believed that they could hear my thoughts"

my problem is slightly different i believe i can talk to trees and other forms of nature as i think of them as part of me being a creature in nature. So when i talk to a tree im just talking to myself.

and hey that's fine

you may believe whatever you wish

for whatever reasons you want

but then i start to feel for the trees that are all messed up by humans

and I don't *know* for a fact that you're wrong either

but I don't believe you

so i ask myself how can i objectively feel for a tree

feelings aren't objective

but I mean

senses are though

it's objectively true THAT you are feeling them

do you understand the distinction I am making?

and you can analyses senses

kinda not really in an objective way but we're working on it yeah

Yes i can feel that is objective but the feelings are subjective

yes

such is the way of the world

so even if we had a database for every song or forest with everyones feelings for said thing on it. This still doesn't make perception reality?

no, absolutely not

okay look

what if some

alien life form came here

would they agree?

almost certainly not

they might not even

be made of solid matter

they could be like

or communicate in our way of thinking

gaseous silicon who communicate through heat waves

so no

everyone agreeing doesn't make something objective

even if everyone, ever, forever agreed

2 hours ago

well they are growing does that count as moving?

so perhaps if they grow their roots in a direction they can move

Red for connections that should and should not be made..

FreeeMason

Your making a distinction between the choice of movement and not, well actually the aware choice.

And im talking about mathematical movement like a ball falling down the stairs

but as a side notes, trees do move towards light, roots to water.

But if the life of a trr was lets say 5 min

and you where standing ontop

what would happen?

The black oak poisons the ground around it, only when other trees are around. Some plants only produce toxins when certain beetles are on them

Oh

how bout this for revolutionary nature paradime shift. Prairie dogs talk.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/06/21/science-prairie-dog-language-decoded.html

and not only that, they have words for things like circle

Wow that's so cool. These little guys can say so much with one chirp

So trees in away communicate with chemicals

When we cut grass the smell is the a chemical it releases to attract bugs that would eat bugs that eat grass. Unfortunately what they get is a giant metal death machine

FreeeMason

lol

the difference is that trees dont have choice as far as we know

not really

well if your an absolutist neither do you

But im not one so its a moot point

FreeeMason

lol, well an absolutist view only applies when all info is known. Its possible that both a "soul" and science come together possibly we are 5d beings thinking on a 4d scale

whats the 4d?

soul?

FreeeMason

4th is one d of time

5th is physical

where the science of whatever the soul is exist

but we could exist in all 5 without knowing, only seeing the 3 and falling through the 4th

and 5 just is

so a 5th d being would see in 4th

FreeeMason

nooo not really not see

because d's dont have to be space

it could be time

direction of time

and whatever we dont know about

so maybe even choice

like think of time as a D that you have no sight of and cant really feel but its an river always running in one direction

you sit still it moves in one direction pretty consistently but

it can get really funky

the 5th we have no idea bout

but what im saying is

all these things or allot of them, like the heart being the organ of love, and hate. Or the soul, or ghosts, or mind reading.

I'm saying there is a God he lives in the 5d and he can predict movement in the 4d with an equation as we would predict movement in 2d or 3d

FreeeMason

Can happen with science, if we actually occupy 5D at all time and simply do not know it. What if you have organs that only exist in that 5th d

how would you ever know

or even just what if the brain and heart are partially in that D

or the Jungian theory of global unconsciousness

FreeeMason

yea thats easy to explain with this extra "plane"

So i think even in absolutist views there is a difference between Choices A the ones made by trees as result of programming and Choices B ones of free will

see you dont have to be smart to have free will

So perhaps the shared mind is part of the 5d thus the subjective become objective at least in 5d?

as we could know for sure what is truth

truth for that one person's perspective then when added up we have a collective human perspective of say a tree. Thus we have the humans collective thoughts and feelings of said tree

Perhaps going back to perspective is reality and only knowing our persecptive it would be safe to assume that this tree now has these feelings and thoughts attached to it. Until the point where it can form its own perspective

FreeeMason

Yes exactly! Fucking right. It could mean there IS truth. not simply a collection of senses generating a perceived truth.

well morso

that some of it is truth, and that truth is definable

some of it is simply the perceived truth.

So right now you cant know if that tree thinks really its assumed no, philosophically you can argue yes but practically and logically

you assume no

Once we learn of this 5th d.

well what if what i make up in my head is the truth

of said tree

FreeeMason

it could mean we define what choice really is, it could mean we have some sort of unique ness to us Ie the soul or it could be that choice is nothing but a computer on the other end of a wire we cant see

and there is multiple truths

FreeeMason

Absolute and objective

so while physicists try to unite the theories we should unite the truths

FreeeMason

ahh

but the only way we could do this is if we know the certain the person is speaking the truth of his or her perspective

FreeeMason

the issue is we cant figure out which of our theorys about truth are ""true"" until we come to a conclusion on our idea of truth

So for me, what they say is never what they mean.

Joseph Chu makes a good point You should look into Dark Matter and Dark Energy, because they are the invisible stuff that makes up most of the universe.

I say people on Acid or mushrooms have come to know their truth

FreeeMason

I always look for why they said it and want they want not what they said.So not what the exprienced but as close to what actually happened as possible.

I assume most people dont intend to lie

they just know no better

blame not the young for they know not what they do

young not being only your age

FreeeMason

Yes, and the assumption being we are all young

Just to different degrees

So i may be older for i have walked this path and it ages me, others have other knowledge that i do not attain from my path but does not age them

I also believe that one of the things i attain from this path is a sort of higher awareness of self

so i need to be accountable to myself for my actions

but they are in no means, for the most part accountable to me

I also have some views about death

that are different

i don't think your the real you until you die

before that your just the process that grows you

i like that

FreeeMason

thus we are all young until we die

its an active birth

FreeeMason

then we have officially become who we are

and have no will to change it

perhaps

lol

i think we can change it

death is only the beginning

or rather

we combine with others whom we like

and share interests and that changes us

FreeeMason

true but the who we are of this world at least

as we slowly become one

FreeeMason

this world being the subjective world

the only truth we can know is the truth we make

FreeeMason

Yes sir, youtube alan watts

hours of his stuff

yeah i have

FreeeMason

are amazing

yea your just talking allot like him

like i keep being reminded of him

a spiritual entertainer as he calls himself

FreeeMason

my fav point he made i don't know what video. but he had just left the city for a few months in the forest

and he talks about how nature, wiggles.

its always moving

and we

build solid straight lines

squares and such.

not always

FreeeMason

gird and triangles and still shapes but all of nature is moving together they giddier they fidget.

just recently as its more efficient

FreeeMason

Exactly, we got caught up in it and it took over our mind its how we think how we build, code, balance

but nature, she just jitters all the time never forgetting to move somewhere

but that implies that she is thinking about it, it nature is not thinking about doing this she just is

Nature is the only thing that doesn't die in this constant cycle of death she keeps us in

FreeeMason

ooh

well that i would disagree with

you NEED to read the sandmand series

its comics

get it in paper back or on your phone

but the paperbacks are worth it. give it the first 4 comics

it focuses on gods

and what they are

and what happens when people stop thinking about gods

or giving to them

And then 8 characters called the endless

these are things that exist personified only in the subjective reality but they have force none the less

when people start[stop] thinking of gods the lose their power and eventually fall to mortality if they were an animal or a river or blink away from existence

FreeeMason

Exactly

Gods can be created through collective thoughts in a common belief and "vibes"

such as the Om goddess